Out of Escrow is a fools dream. Sorry for those that have taken it from behind because of it but if you dont follow the simply posted guidelines on SRM you are destined for disappointment, It might work a couple times but at some point you will go out of escrow and get burnt. Out of Escrow allows no accountability for the vendor. While we are talking about this I'd like to express my opinion on new members finalizing early for being first timer customers is bullshit. Also finalizing early for overseas is bullshit, many overseas vendors do not require early finalization. I know because I've never released escrow early just because the vendor is overseas. I understand it's a 2 face wall between vendors and customers, but no walls is even better...like the guidelines suggest. Sorry sandycheeks for the rant. [/rant] nomad bloodbath